tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post5555230579016588568..comments2023-09-27T03:46:36.401-07:00Comments on Piers Gaveston: What did Piers Gaveston look like?Anerjehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post-53898562527218552192015-03-09T13:18:12.899-07:002015-03-09T13:18:12.899-07:00Kasia - by 1736 they should surely have realised w...Kasia - by 1736 they should surely have realised what they were doing was wrong! I dare say they thought they were 'improving' the effigy. It's such a shame. Even John's tomb has been disturbed. The effigy is original, but the tomb base is from the Tudor period and has been moved from it's original site. Apparently John's thumb bone was removed! It's in the archives at Worcester Cathedral.<br /><br />Richard III is lucky in that he attracts a lot of supporters with money:). No-one will seriously chip-in for Piers. We must hope our lottery numbers come up:)Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post-1698868392443618542015-03-09T03:13:50.652-07:002015-03-09T03:13:50.652-07:00If I win on the lottery, I would do exactly the sa...If I win on the lottery, I would do exactly the same to learn as much about Henry as possible :-)Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post-50947969985385679552015-03-09T03:12:27.936-07:002015-03-09T03:12:27.936-07:00Yes, Henry' tomb in Rouen Cathedral is replica...Yes, Henry' tomb in Rouen Cathedral is replica. The original was destroyed in 1736, alongside with those of his brother Richard and his uncle William, for some comparatively trivial purpose, namely the then chapter's great desire to "erect more magnificent altar, and to elevate it considerably above the level of the choir. To effect this it was necessary to take up the old pavement, to remove the monuments, and to disturb the soil underneath to the depth of 15 feet. It must be menioned, however, to their credit, that they had great respect to the mortal remains of these illustrious persons, which they replaced in their original positions; and when the new pavement was put down, squares of white marble were inserted over the graves of each, bearing simple and appropriate inscriptions...' Sorry, I just copied a snippet of one of my previous posts :-)<br /><br />As for Richard III, I'm sure he himself must be tired - so much ado about his earthly remains and burial. You know I am Yorksist at heart, but the whole media fuss is enough even for me... I don't read the articles anymore. The "mass hysteria" - as I call it myself - is bordering on grotesque, at least IMHO.Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post-82296672380940782782015-03-08T12:59:48.138-07:002015-03-08T12:59:48.138-07:00If I win big on the lottery, I'm starting my o...If I win big on the lottery, I'm starting my own quest to search for anything to do with Piers - never mind the king in the car park!:)Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post-1030651674340527402015-03-08T12:57:42.653-07:002015-03-08T12:57:42.653-07:00Kasia - I don't think anyone would have destro...Kasia - I don't think anyone would have destroyed the tomb effigy after Edward's abdication. After all, Isabella's wrath was directed at Despencer, not Piers. Plus, desecrating a tomb was something to be wary of in those superstitious times. It was bound to be done in the Reformation. Am really shocked the remains of Jasper Tudor and his tomb were lost. At least you have the effigy of the Young king - although it's a replica, I believe?<br /><br />Kathryn - a programme on BBC4 about the Reformation revealed there's a huge warehouse in the North where pieces of stone - all shapes, sizes, carvings etc taken from monasteries and religious houses are stored - there are thousands of pieces. They haven't all come from the North but right across the U.K. Just maybe, something survives from the effigy?Anerjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16305237339979790391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post-2739525689960858582015-03-08T00:42:09.445-08:002015-03-08T00:42:09.445-08:00I agree, it's so frustrating that we have no i...I agree, it's so frustrating that we have no idea what Piers looked like! The only ref I know of is Geoffrey le Baker, writing about forty years after Piers' murder, who called him 'graceful and agile in body'. Not very helpful!Kathryn Warnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00397714441908100576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-933105074141988999.post-6943804012472313452015-03-07T12:51:34.090-08:002015-03-07T12:51:34.090-08:00I know what it feels like, Anerje! Information abo...I know what it feels like, Anerje! Information about Henry the Young King's appearance is also scarce. Although, we know at least that he was "tall in stature" and that his face "expressed merriment".<br /><br />Perhaps Piers's tomb effigy was destroyed after Edward's abdication. Do you think sb might have dared to do that?Katarzyna Ogrodnik-Fujcikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10415905019122111675noreply@blogger.com